lordhellebore:
ximeria:
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1ady1azaru5:
grifalinas:
“We as a fandom have to talk about-” No. No we don’t. You can talk about it if you want to. That’s fine, if that’s how you fandom then go for it. I hope it works out for you because I want you to enjoy your fandom experience. But if I’m in fandom for reasons that’s counter to, then I have no obligation to talk about it. I don’t have to talk about anything except what I want to.
“Okay but you have to talk about your fave’s flaws-” No! No I don’t! I have to be able to acknowledge those flaws when they come up. I have to be able to admit that my character has flaws, and accept when others talk about those flaws. But I don’t have to talk about them if I don’t want to. If I want to only focus on the better aspects of my fave, even if that means just shallowly talking about how hot they are, I can. That’s my choice, that’s how I’ve decided to enjoy them.
Fandom is meant to be fun. Fandom is meant to be a hobby. I don’t have to talk about any aspect of my favorite story or ship or character or writer or anything if I don’t want to. You know what’s not fun? Having to talk about the ways my favorite thing is bad every time I want to talk about it. Having to point out my favorite thing’s flaws instead of the things that makes me enjoy it. Having to disclaim before I get to sing something’s praises because “yeah I know it’s shit BUT”. No. I can know something is bad without needing to talk about it.
Idk dude this sounds like a really great rationalization for wanting to ignore the parts of something that are problematic and not wanting to have to unpack that
Listen. If the way you fandom is to spend all of your time on critical analysis and unpack everything that makes the thing you like problematic, if that’s what you’re about, then go for it. I mean it. If that’s how you get on, then you do you, and I stand by what I said above, I hope it works out for you. I want everyone to be able to enjoy their fandom experience, even if I can’t wrap my head around why the way they fandom is enjoyable.
But I don’t owe anyone anything. If I don’t want to have a big public discussion about how problematic my favorite thing is, then I don’t have to. That’s my choice. I don’t have to perform a requisite level of discourse to be able to enjoy something; I can just enjoy it, and no one else gets a say in that.
It’s not a rationalization, it’s reality. I can fandom sans discourse if that’s the way I choose to fandom. End of sentence.
Yes, thank you - this very much. I have old fandom friends (we’re talking 10+ years and in some cases 20) that I still have to remind that certain fandoms, I don’t care about meta and I will not spend 4+ hours talking meta if I can spend those 4+ hours enjoying fic and writing - and while I don’t mind meta in my reading, it’s barely on the fringes of why I enjoy most fandoms. Meta interests me to a certain point, but 20+ fandom years has definitely taught me to avoid the things that will sour a fandom experience for me. If that means not talking flaws, then you (from here on used as in general, not OP) have to accept that. Just as I accept that you can’t enjoy something without taking it to pieces. Fandom has room for the both of us. Fandom NEEDS the both of us. But it also needs us to coexist.
Trust me when I say I know my favs have flaws - if they didn’t, I would consider them far too boring and flat to pay them any interest and thus… they would not be my favs.
God yes, this. I’ve been in fandom 16 years now, and I figured out that meta, for the most part, sucks any enjoyment out of it for me. I do like discussing my favourite aspects of a story or character sometimes, or their flaws, but overall, meta makes me feel terribly frustrated, and if I had to interact with it regularly, I suppose I’d just leave fandom and find another hobby.
Part of it certainly is that my actual job is literature, I’m getting my PhD in literature, and I’ve been studying/working in literature for exactly the same time as I’ve spent in fandom. If I want to analyse and discuss, I turn to my day job and my PhD thesis. When I’ve spent the day researching and teaching a class about anti-semitism in historical theatre, I don’t want to do the same at home in the evening.
Fandom, to me, means reading and writing nice stories without analysing the hell out of them. Give a woman a break.
Everyone should be able to use fandom in ways that make sense for them and are enjoyable for them. If that means writing 10k words about problematic aspects of a book or a show or a fanon portrayal, go for it. I’m glad you like to do that. But leave me to my fic and my gif posting.
You need to understand that fandom fulfils different functions for different people, and that ‘different’ doesn’t mean ‘ignorant’, ‘lazy’, or ‘morally lacking’.